Naval’s self-portrait as a pregnant nun draws attention to the great
promise she held as an actress when she burst on the scene more than a
decade ago. Does her avatar of painter-poet spell the death of yet another
Scepticism breeds easily in the human mind.
I was guilty of it myself, when I cynically dismissed the news that Deepti
Naval, so far acknowledged as a talented actress, was all set to make
her debut as a painter at Jehangir Art Gallery, Bombay. Just another Sunday
painter, I dismissed cruelly (like many others undoubtedly did) –
before pausing to reflect that Deepti Naval is certainly not just another
actress. For evidence, rewind to her sensitive delineation of powerful
female roles in films like Ankahee, Kamla, Panchvati and Andhi Gali. Her
debut as an actress in Ek Baar Phir in 1980, where she portrayed a sensitive
woman torn by her love for two men, was itself path-breaking, and it placed
her in the dwindling league of thinking actresses like Smita Patil and
Shabana Azmi – in the jungle of Hindi cinema. Even I, who can hardly
call myself a Hindi film buff, have seen enough of today’s formula-ridden
commercial films to realise that this unconventional actress is a misfit
So, where does that leave her creative spirit? Should it remain stifled
by the grip of mindless plots on Hindi film audiences, or should it overflow
on to a newer, fresher, more individualistic canvas? It’s a question
the actress addressed during her ‘Dark Period’. The result
was this added dimension of painter-poet. Dwarfed by a huge canvas being
framed in the charming terrace of her suburban flat, the petite actress
steps out of the chaos to lead me into the inner precincts of her home
Deepti Naval is an interviewer’s delight. Sans make-up, she looks
defenseless and much softer that the independent woman you have pictured.
Before you can say camera! lights! Action! – she voluntarily lets
down her guard, leading you into the hitherto unexplored recesses of her
mind. Open, vulnerable, yet never weak, her strong convictions are her
only ammunition against the volley of questions directed against her.
Head cocked to one side, she listens intently before replaying, never
ever getting on the defensive or dismissing a query as irrelevant.
• How far back does passion
for painting date?
It goes back to childhood. It was very natural for me to draw. I was food
in drawing, though not much of my drawing shows in my work today. And,
my mother being a good painter herself, my parents were very encouraging.
I studied at Sacred Heart Convent in Amritsar; and after school, I migrated
with the family to New York, where I studied painting as my major subject.
My father was very keen that I join a full-fledged art institute in Paris
after my B.A.
• Then what made you suddenly
take up acting?
I wasn’t geared for painting. I was a very quiet child, so I never
really had the guts to tell anybody that actually, it’s not painting
I want to do, it’s acting. They would have been shocked. They were
shocked when I told them.
• When was that?
It was after I graduated in painting. In 1979, just before I came here.
• What urged you to come back
to India to act?
Hindi films. It was always Hindi films. I don’t know why, but I
never really opened my mind to pursuing acting there. I was just so much
in live with Hindi films. As a child, I used to watch a lot of reruns.
There was a particular theatre which had all these old films coming back
– of Meena Kumari, Raj Kapoor… I had seen films like Guddi,
Ankur, Nishant, Bhumika, a few films of Jaya Bachachan. She was one of
the major inspirations of my growing years. While I was in college, in
New York, I was very turned on by her films.
• So you gave up painting after you graduated?
For the first two years that I was here, I was shooting and looking at
films, going to the FTTII in the Pune, reading. Education in cinema, for
me, was through reading.
(Masters of Modern Drama by Block & Shedds and A History of the Cinema
by Eric Rhode, standing alongside volumes on master painters like Picasso,
Matisse, Seurat Manet, Goya, Gauguin, Rembrandt, Cezanne, on her wall-size
book shelf, bear silent testimony to that statement.)
• Why do you think your debut-making
role in Ek Baar Phir created a stir?
It was very unconventional, very bold thematically. For the first time,
it was showing an Indian woman, who was married to a film star, falling
in love with a struggling painter in London. She goes through this middle-class
conflict in her head – a nice girl like me, what am I doing in a
situation like this? I have to end it. But she decides to end the marriage
instead, because she sees the hypocrisy in her married life. It was a
lovely film by Vinod Pande. There are times when you feel: Ah! I’d
love to see myself in this film. This is one of those.
• What happened after Ek Baar
After that, I did some good films with good directors like Sai Paranjpye,
Hrishikesh Mukherjee, Gulzar… I was exposed to all the international
films and festivals, but I didn’t see myself standing anywhere in
terms of what I felt could be my contribution to cinema in this small
Hindi sphere. So I made a conscious effort to stop playing this sweet
girl next door. Ek Baar Phir was a landmark. After that, I didn’t
do anything of that kind. I started doing these lighter roles, and they
couldn’t keep me happy very long. I needed to bring out my self
into the roles that I played – my own sensibility, my own sensitivity,
my own awareness of things… as somebody who lives in India and is
not a non-thinking person. I loved working with people like Sai Paranjpye
(Chashme Badoor and Katha). She works with such minute attention to detail.
But I wanted to make a difference to the audience. Like, when I saw Bandit
Queen recently, I said – this woman is going to make me think for
so many days! I would be doing my other work, and thinking of her. The
performance is so stark, it’s so bloody disturbing! These are the
kind of roles I was looking for, roles that would go home with people,
make people think about them. Not roles that are just good for entertainment
– and that’s it!
• What did you do about it?
For about seven months at a stretch, I didn’t do any films in 1983.
I started selecting the roles that I wanted to play. One of the first
films I did in that area was Kamla. I didn’t play the strong woman
I played the doormat, the very subservient, animal-like Adivasi woman.
It’s not necessary that I play the janda-wala role. No. if the film
is making a statement that is thought-provoking then I’m part of
it. It’s as simple as that!
• Which are the performances
that you are proud of?
I think Kamla set the ball rolling, and I did one film after another that
gave me tremendous satisfaction. I think my most important work has been
in Kamla, Ankahee (directed by Amol Palekar), Mirch Masala (directed by
Ketan Mehta). Smita Patil plays the main role in Mirch Masala. I did a
smaller role, but it’s one of my most precision-cut roles. It was
shot, but so precise. So correct, that is the feedback I got. It’s
the feedback that gives you an opinion about your work too. Then I did
films like Andhi Gali, Panchvati.
Again, my role in Panchvati is a wonderful one, the role really that I
identify with as a woman. (It was directed by Basu Bhattacharya). I play
a temple painter from Nepal who is exhibiting her work at the Kala Academy.
She meets a very interesting, slightly order married man, gets a proposal
to marry his younger brother, does so, and realizes that the younger brother
is nothing like the older one. The marriage gradually deteriorates to
the point of physical violence, and that’s when she goes back to
Nepal. Somewhere along the way, the unspoken relationship between her
and the older brighter concretizes, and she spends two days with him on
her way back. She conceives form him, but goes back to her painting in
the temples. She has the child, but continues living there on her own,
bringing up the kid.
In terms of the sensibility and the quiet strength that the woman possesses,
I think it’s a role that is very close to me as a person –though
I’m not as calm.
• When did you start painting
Fall ’91 was when I started doing a lot of work. I was working in
a friend’s studio, a very close friend of mine (called Akash) living
in Delhi. The two nuns were done in her house. Then, when I came back
to Bombay, is started painting in the garage downstairs. For two years,
I think, I worked on my paintings.
• How did you manage that?
Did you take a break from films to do so, or did you start painting because
you had no films?
I had breaks of sorts. To be very honest, I think it was the lack of meaningful
work. Nothing concrete was happening for a while, and I said – why
should I hang around here? So I would just go to Himachal, the Kulu valley.
I loved that area, and I used to travel in local buses. There’s
one painting here called Road To Keylong. I used to go on my own or with
a friend. I love going to new places – a little village here, a
valley there which I haven’t seen before. Travelling, hiking, trekking
or just vagabonding, is a great high for me. At that point, I just needed
to keep going away.
• You also write poetry?
While I was in Delhi, going off into the hills from time to time (in ’91
– 92), I got into a period of writing poetry in English, which I
had given up completely. When I was in college in New York, I started
writing in Hindi, particularly because it was one’s own language.
A question of identity when you’re in America. There was somebody
in Delhi who liked my poems in Hindi, so my first collection was published
in Hindi seven years ago. In English, I haven’t yet finalized it,
but there is a publisher who I am negotiating with.
• What is you long-tem goal?
To be known as an actress? Or as a painter?
As an actress, I know I am good. It’s a much tested and tried medium.
I’ve got enough feedback on that. But I would appreciate some feedback
on my painting and poetry. It could only improve my work in the future.
I certainly don’t see myself as someone who is “dabbling”
in other mediums. I feel the need to say something to express myself,
and I get down and do it. I am somebody who needs to be creatively alive
all the time. So whether I write or paint or do a scene which really turns
me on, it’s all the same thing – except that the first two
give me much more freedom as a person/
• What does writing mean to
Writing poetry is harsh thing to be doing with yourself, really. You are
completely emotionally stripping yourself to the world, and that’s
difficult. Not when you’re doing it, but when others read it. There’s
something inside you that says – write! You can’t ignore it.
You may write in your most intimate, alone moments, but there is a need
to share that also. I find that I am in contradiction with myself so often.
I need to be myself, and yet I dread being completely alone. I don’t
think I’ll ever really solve this one! Like someone very early in
my career said, “You don’t have the temperament to be an actress.
Temperamentally, you’re a painter. As an actress, you’re constantly
thrown among people and you’re supposed to love it.
• Do you like living alone?
In a way, I think it’s quite wonderful to live alone. To have friends
when you want them, and if you want to have a relationship with a man
which has the potential to grow – it’s a most wonderful equation!
As a career person, you need that kind of space for yourself.
• Didn’t you adopt a
child at one point?
Yes. Actually when Prakash (Jha) and I got married, for two years, while
we were still married, we were living from each other. He was working
in Delhi, and I was continuing to cope with my income tax problems here.
We adopted a child then. (Prakash doesn’t like my bringing his name
into my interviews. Today, we are such good friends, that we don’t
see any need to keep referring to the past, but since we’re talking
about the baby…)
She lives with him. She’s in Panchgani now and she knows me as a
friend, as Deepti. I feel it’s okay, because I hardly had the chance
to mother her. To me she’s still my baby, but I have also managed
to see her as this little friend I have.
• Would you want to adopt
a child again?
I don’t know. My life is not planned at the moment. I don’t
want to lose the spontaneity of living. It shouldn’t happen like
before – when I used to stop living at times, because I was always
evaluating what I was doing. If it didn’t fit in anywhere, then
I wouldn’t do it. And maybe I missed out on the essence of living.
I don’t really care for all that anymore. I just want to live for
now. She comes home sometimes, and we’re friends. And Prakash and
I are friends.
• Does your self-portrait
as a pregnant nun have anything to do with wanting to have child, without
the hindrance of a man in your life?
No. It’s about a conflict in my mind. A phase which really threw
me into a conflict. I was really debating about whether I wanted to start
my life all over again, or leave everything and go away – live in
the mountains some-where in oblivion, not have anything to do with films,
or trying to prove myself, or making a statement, or wanting to make a
film. Since I went to a convent school, the nun always found them very
fascinating and mysterious. As a child, I could never really understand,
and as I grew up I did come to understand a little bit and then I romanticized
it. And then, I was caught. I caught myself painting myself as a pregnant
nun, because I was going through this conflict – whether I wanted
to start my life all over and adopt the world. Embrace it with both my
arms and get pregnant with life. Or leave everything and become a recluse.
No relationship, no child, nothing. Just become a nun.
• If you found the roles you
were looking for, would you still explore your talent for painting?
Absolutely. The film medium is not, for me, and independent means of expression.
It’s not me. I’m interpreting whatever is given to me in terms
of the scene. For freedom of expression, you have to write a film and
direct it yourself, for which you need funds.
I see myself as an artist, and not essentially as a writer or a painter.
Or even an actress.
• You haven’t said no
to commercial films?
I haven’t. All I’m saying is that have been wasted, and I
don’t want to waste myself anymore. It’s not hat I’m
cutting off that part of myself that is an actress. I never want to cut
off any part of myself at any stage. I’ll be open to doing a good
role when it comes along. There are some brilliant film-makers among the
commercial lot – Shekhar Kapur, Raj Kumar Santoshi, Subhash Ghai,
Yash Chopra. But I don’t want to be on the periphery. I have a fan
following, and my fans have a certain expectation from a film of mine.
I have to live up to their expectations. I have to do better than my last
Meanwhile, her thoughts and feelings overflow on her canvas and paper.
Her exhibition of self-portraits, landscapes and pregnant nuns displayed
her potential to be as sensitive a painter as she is an actress. We wait,
expectantly, for the creative fulfillment of the promise of Deepti Naval
– not the actress, or painter or the poet, but the consummate artiste.